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**8695Beaters** · 05-07-2008, 09:14 PM

Still, welds fuse the metal together, effectively creating a single piece of metal ( I know that it's not actually a single piece, but it is much more so than bolts). Creating both kinds of cages is a hassle, and for the money and time invested, I would rather have the stronger one. Plus the welded cage will not flex as much as the bolt-in. Strut bars can create a noticable difference, so think about how much of a change a rollcage or roll bar can make. There is slop in the bolts and that can be felt.

**PrimeTimeV6** · 05-08-2008, 07:30 AM

Where are your bars welded in?

**8695Beaters** · 05-08-2008, 09:11 AM

All of them are welded to support plates that are welded to the floor. The welds are solid and look like they have good penetration. when I get the car back from the shop, I can take a few pics of the mounts.

**PrimeTimeV6** · 05-08-2008, 09:21 AM

Good deal, can't wait to see them.

**8695Beaters** · 05-08-2008, 11:25 AM

I just got a call from the shop. New plugs, a retune, a rewire (the wiring was butchered when the guy did the swap), and now a new fuel pump. And there may be more. This may take a while...

**PrimeTimeV6** · 05-08-2008, 11:58 AM

Why not do your own work?

**8695Beaters** · 05-08-2008, 12:33 PM

The plugs were my fault. I got the wrong ones, they replaced them with the right plugs. I bet they had less than a mile on them. I better get them back or get the new plugs for free or I will be pissed.

I thought the fuel pump was good. I pulled it and it turned fine, but I don't have any way of checking its flow (I will be installing a fuel pressure gauge underhood). Apparently it is now blowing fuses, so they are changing it out. It may be a wiring related problem.

As much as I know, I am not ready to do a rewire. Especially on a car that does not yet run. I'm hoping to get some experience building harnesses with the SAE team (which we have to do on our car), so maybe in a few years I can do that. And since the wiring was really bad, they needed to straighten it out before they could find out what else is wrong.

I have no way of reflashing the ECU. It's not programmable and even if it was, I don't have a dyno in my garage. Plus it was running before, so I figured it would run on this tune and I could get it retuned later. I spent 2 weekends working on the car, I even replaced the starter motor. Unfortunately, I wired it back up wrong and it wouldn't do anything. That's when I gave up and sent it to a shop. This shop is the second shop it has gone to. To be fair, the first shop is a repair shop and isn't familiar with the setup. The current shop is. All the problems (except the plugs) were all sneaking suspicions I had about what was wrong with the car, but no way to confirm them. This shop was way more experience than me, so they know exactly what they are looking for, as opposed to me who sort of BS's my way through stuff.

The relocated battery, new coolant tank, and new seats, harnesses, and wheel will all be done in my driveway. Once I can afford the parts that is.

I do as much work as I can, but there comes a point where I just throw up my hands. the last major job I did on my own car was the shocks and brakes of my '86 Integra. That was a fun job, since the car had teh same parts since probably before 2000. I hate rust...

**PrimeTimeV6** · 05-08-2008, 12:43 PM

Well I guess its better to bring it to someone who knows what they are doing istead of BS your way through it.

**8695Beaters** · 05-08-2008, 12:50 PM

Yeah. My thoughts exactly.

05-07-2008, 09:14 PM	#41 (permalink)
8695Beaters Geek In Training Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,235	Still, welds fuse the metal together, effectively creating a single piece of metal ( I know that it's not actually a single piece, but it is much more so than bolts). Creating both kinds of cages is a hassle, and for the money and time invested, I would rather have the stronger one. Plus the welded cage will not flex as much as the bolt-in. Strut bars can create a noticable difference, so think about how much of a change a rollcage or roll bar can make. There is slop in the bolts and that can be felt. __________________ "I really like going fast. Just go off and meditate in the wind, you know? As corny as it sounds it works and feels good. It's a good way to just let the weight of the world off every once in a while...is this a big pose? I mean, yes this is a pose! I mean am I driving down the street to not get noticed in this thing? I mean rebellious is what this thing is I would say!!!" -James Hetfield

05-08-2008, 07:30 AM	#42 (permalink)
PrimeTimeV6 V8 Eater! Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,608	Where are your bars welded in? __________________ Accordv6 + supercharger = FUN Personal....www.myspace.com/brandonkupihea HondaClub....www.myspace.com/hondaclubdotcom PrimeTimePerformance....www.myspace.com/primetimeperformance

05-08-2008, 09:11 AM	#43 (permalink)
8695Beaters Geek In Training Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,235	All of them are welded to support plates that are welded to the floor. The welds are solid and look like they have good penetration. when I get the car back from the shop, I can take a few pics of the mounts. __________________ "I really like going fast. Just go off and meditate in the wind, you know? As corny as it sounds it works and feels good. It's a good way to just let the weight of the world off every once in a while...is this a big pose? I mean, yes this is a pose! I mean am I driving down the street to not get noticed in this thing? I mean rebellious is what this thing is I would say!!!" -James Hetfield

05-08-2008, 09:21 AM	#44 (permalink)
PrimeTimeV6 V8 Eater! Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,608	Good deal, can't wait to see them. __________________ Accordv6 + supercharger = FUN Personal....www.myspace.com/brandonkupihea HondaClub....www.myspace.com/hondaclubdotcom PrimeTimePerformance....www.myspace.com/primetimeperformance

05-08-2008, 11:25 AM	#45 (permalink)
8695Beaters Geek In Training Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,235	I just got a call from the shop. New plugs, a retune, a rewire (the wiring was butchered when the guy did the swap), and now a new fuel pump. And there may be more. This may take a while... __________________ "I really like going fast. Just go off and meditate in the wind, you know? As corny as it sounds it works and feels good. It's a good way to just let the weight of the world off every once in a while...is this a big pose? I mean, yes this is a pose! I mean am I driving down the street to not get noticed in this thing? I mean rebellious is what this thing is I would say!!!" -James Hetfield

05-08-2008, 11:58 AM	#46 (permalink)
PrimeTimeV6 V8 Eater! Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,608	Why not do your own work? __________________ Accordv6 + supercharger = FUN Personal....www.myspace.com/brandonkupihea HondaClub....www.myspace.com/hondaclubdotcom PrimeTimePerformance....www.myspace.com/primetimeperformance

05-08-2008, 12:33 PM	#47 (permalink)
8695Beaters Geek In Training Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,235	The plugs were my fault. I got the wrong ones, they replaced them with the right plugs. I bet they had less than a mile on them. I better get them back or get the new plugs for free or I will be pissed. I thought the fuel pump was good. I pulled it and it turned fine, but I don't have any way of checking its flow (I will be installing a fuel pressure gauge underhood). Apparently it is now blowing fuses, so they are changing it out. It may be a wiring related problem. As much as I know, I am not ready to do a rewire. Especially on a car that does not yet run. I'm hoping to get some experience building harnesses with the SAE team (which we have to do on our car), so maybe in a few years I can do that. And since the wiring was really bad, they needed to straighten it out before they could find out what else is wrong. I have no way of reflashing the ECU. It's not programmable and even if it was, I don't have a dyno in my garage. Plus it was running before, so I figured it would run on this tune and I could get it retuned later. I spent 2 weekends working on the car, I even replaced the starter motor. Unfortunately, I wired it back up wrong and it wouldn't do anything. That's when I gave up and sent it to a shop. This shop is the second shop it has gone to. To be fair, the first shop is a repair shop and isn't familiar with the setup. The current shop is. All the problems (except the plugs) were all sneaking suspicions I had about what was wrong with the car, but no way to confirm them. This shop was way more experience than me, so they know exactly what they are looking for, as opposed to me who sort of BS's my way through stuff. The relocated battery, new coolant tank, and new seats, harnesses, and wheel will all be done in my driveway. Once I can afford the parts that is. I do as much work as I can, but there comes a point where I just throw up my hands. the last major job I did on my own car was the shocks and brakes of my '86 Integra. That was a fun job, since the car had teh same parts since probably before 2000. I hate rust... __________________ "I really like going fast. Just go off and meditate in the wind, you know? As corny as it sounds it works and feels good. It's a good way to just let the weight of the world off every once in a while...is this a big pose? I mean, yes this is a pose! I mean am I driving down the street to not get noticed in this thing? I mean rebellious is what this thing is I would say!!!" -James Hetfield

05-08-2008, 12:43 PM	#48 (permalink)
PrimeTimeV6 V8 Eater! Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,608	Well I guess its better to bring it to someone who knows what they are doing istead of BS your way through it. __________________ Accordv6 + supercharger = FUN Personal....www.myspace.com/brandonkupihea HondaClub....www.myspace.com/hondaclubdotcom PrimeTimePerformance....www.myspace.com/primetimeperformance

05-08-2008, 12:50 PM	#49 (permalink)
8695Beaters Geek In Training Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,235	Yeah. My thoughts exactly. __________________ "I really like going fast. Just go off and meditate in the wind, you know? As corny as it sounds it works and feels good. It's a good way to just let the weight of the world off every once in a while...is this a big pose? I mean, yes this is a pose! I mean am I driving down the street to not get noticed in this thing? I mean rebellious is what this thing is I would say!!!" -James Hetfield

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