The thing is over at the 8th gen civic forum we have talked to Hondata a lot, especially after they became pretty active for a bit to get rid of rumors (ipro

), and they told us that the k20z3 ECU is very different, with over 1 million lines of code, and apparently the new DBW throttle with new immobilizer, with several other problems have made it hard to crack this car. Latest I heard (about a month ago) we are about a year away.